Hi,
Trying desperately to match pitch by singing. I'm a baritone. EarMaster keeps trying to make me a tenor. Ain't gonna happen. It's hard to match by singing an octave lower. Is there a way to set the range of tones used in pitch matching so I don't have to hit notes way above middle C?
TIA
Bill
Can't hit high notes
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Re: Can't hit high notes
Nevermind. Just found the vocal range setting. As a technical writer, gotta say EM documentation needs A LOT of work.
Re: Can't hit high notes
Hi,
In the Beginner's course, you'll only get questions in the G-clef regardless of your tone range, as explained in the lesson introduction. You can sing in the octave of your choice and EarMaster will transpose everything silently.
In the Beginner's course, you'll only get questions in the G-clef regardless of your tone range, as explained in the lesson introduction. You can sing in the octave of your choice and EarMaster will transpose everything silently.
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Thanks -- somehow missed that in the intro. I still say the documentation is useless.
Plus, asking a beginning singer to match pitch an octave or more below what's played...not exactly a beginner's skill.
Beginning to think Ear Master isn't what it's supposed to be.
Plus, asking a beginning singer to match pitch an octave or more below what's played...not exactly a beginner's skill.
Beginning to think Ear Master isn't what it's supposed to be.
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It is common practice to introduce the treble clef before moving on to other clefs in courses for beginners. Since not all users have a voice range within the treble clef, EarMaster lets the users sing the pitches in any octave they find comfortable and transposes weverything automatically. If you have a suggestion for a better solution that doesn't involve using other clefs, we would be happy to consider changing this 
. We have just been at a music show where very young kids were doing that very exercise without problems, so I am not sure how problematic it is, besides the fact that it should probably be explained better.
I reckon that the documentation could be denser. We do have plans to work on that aspect.
. We have just been at a music show where very young kids were doing that very exercise without problems, so I am not sure how problematic it is, besides the fact that it should probably be explained better. I reckon that the documentation could be denser. We do have plans to work on that aspect.
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It's a problem for me. I guess Denmark children are way more talented than I am.
What's wrong with showing the Bass Clef? You seem so convinced you have it right that you can skip the answer.
What's wrong with showing the Bass Clef? You seem so convinced you have it right that you can skip the answer.
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Initially, the Beginner's Course used the vocal range selected by the user. Then we had a lot of complaints that the F-clef and the C-clef were not suitable for beginners. Therefore we changed it to always use the G-clef, allowing users to sing their answers in any octave.
It's not easy to make everyone happy. There are many possible approaches and preferences, and our job is to find the best solution for most users. We are never blindly convinced that our solutions are the best, this is just not how we work. We are perfectionists, always on the lookout for better ways to do things. So if you have a suggestion to make the exercise work better for beginners, we would be very happy to know it.
Notice that in any other area of EarMaster, the software WILL use your vocal range setting and diplay notes using either the treble, bass, tenor or Alto clef.
It's not easy to make everyone happy. There are many possible approaches and preferences, and our job is to find the best solution for most users. We are never blindly convinced that our solutions are the best, this is just not how we work. We are perfectionists, always on the lookout for better ways to do things. So if you have a suggestion to make the exercise work better for beginners, we would be very happy to know it.
Notice that in any other area of EarMaster, the software WILL use your vocal range setting and diplay notes using either the treble, bass, tenor or Alto clef.
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Your post made us think a lot about this aspect of the beginner's course, so we have started a public poll/discussion on our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/earmaster
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I have exactly the same problem as bebopluver - I'm a beginner, baritone with a limited range. The C above middle C is a stretch, and the D above that is out of range. Being a beginner, and a not very talented one at that, I also have trouble hitting these notes in falsetto, and I can't reliably sing a note an octave higher or lower than the example. (I'm just going through the helpful suggestions of more experienced users one by one).
To me, the clef (bass or treble) isn't the issue, it's the notes I'm being asked to sing. In the beginner singing exercises the only notes it is asking me to sing are C and D. If I could ask it to drop the pitch a couple of notes (down to A from C, for example), I'd be fine. (Am I missing something? Maybe I've missed this feature). I know your software can handle ledger lines, because middle C is already on one - how about adding a second ledger line to the treble clef and using it?
Great software by the way!
To me, the clef (bass or treble) isn't the issue, it's the notes I'm being asked to sing. In the beginner singing exercises the only notes it is asking me to sing are C and D. If I could ask it to drop the pitch a couple of notes (down to A from C, for example), I'd be fine. (Am I missing something? Maybe I've missed this feature). I know your software can handle ledger lines, because middle C is already on one - how about adding a second ledger line to the treble clef and using it?
Great software by the way!
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Tim wrote:
> I have exactly the same problem as bebopluver - I'm a beginner, baritone
> with a limited range. The C above middle C is a stretch, and the D above
> that is out of range. Being a beginner, and a not very talented one at
> that, I also have trouble hitting these notes in falsetto, and I can't
> reliably sing a note an octave higher or lower than the example. (I'm just
> going through the helpful suggestions of more experienced users one by
> one).
>
> To me, the clef (bass or treble) isn't the issue, it's the notes I'm being
> asked to sing. In the beginner singing exercises the only notes it is
> asking me to sing are C and D. If I could ask it to drop the pitch a couple
> of notes (down to A from C, for example), I'd be fine. (Am I missing
> something? Maybe I've missed this feature). I know your software can handle
> ledger lines, because middle C is already on one - how about adding a
> second ledger line to the treble clef and using it?
>
> Great software by the way!
Agree with Tim except for the last point. I can't sing the notes Quentin seems to think anyone can do. So, not great software. Frankly, I'd like my money back. I have to skip the pitch matching which is the most important skill to master.
I went ahead and hired a tutor with a piano so I can match pitches. Earmaster is next to useless for me.
> I have exactly the same problem as bebopluver - I'm a beginner, baritone
> with a limited range. The C above middle C is a stretch, and the D above
> that is out of range. Being a beginner, and a not very talented one at
> that, I also have trouble hitting these notes in falsetto, and I can't
> reliably sing a note an octave higher or lower than the example. (I'm just
> going through the helpful suggestions of more experienced users one by
> one).
>
> To me, the clef (bass or treble) isn't the issue, it's the notes I'm being
> asked to sing. In the beginner singing exercises the only notes it is
> asking me to sing are C and D. If I could ask it to drop the pitch a couple
> of notes (down to A from C, for example), I'd be fine. (Am I missing
> something? Maybe I've missed this feature). I know your software can handle
> ledger lines, because middle C is already on one - how about adding a
> second ledger line to the treble clef and using it?
>
> Great software by the way!
Agree with Tim except for the last point. I can't sing the notes Quentin seems to think anyone can do. So, not great software. Frankly, I'd like my money back. I have to skip the pitch matching which is the most important skill to master.
I went ahead and hired a tutor with a piano so I can match pitches. Earmaster is next to useless for me.
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Pitch matching of the Beginner's Course is a tiny part of the software. It's a handful of lessons out of 2500... And you can still practice it in any tone range with the Melody Singback exercise. Not saying that the pitch matching lesson of the Beginner's Course shouldn't work the best way possible, of course, and that's what we try to achieve with the poll we published. Before we change such a central part of the exercise, we need to be sure it's a request shared by many users.
The fact that you can sing your answer in any octave you want is, to me, a great feature. The problem here is that we have, for pedagogical purposes, fixed the tone range to the soprano range in the Beginner's Course (and not other areas of the software!), and it seems that transposing to other octaves is more problematic than we thought.
I am just wondering, what do you do if you need to sing back a tune whistled by someone or played on a soprano flute? Surely you are not singing the notes at the same octave as the whistling or the flute, you transpose the melody to a comfortable tone range. Or am I missing something?
The fact that you can sing your answer in any octave you want is, to me, a great feature. The problem here is that we have, for pedagogical purposes, fixed the tone range to the soprano range in the Beginner's Course (and not other areas of the software!), and it seems that transposing to other octaves is more problematic than we thought.
I am just wondering, what do you do if you need to sing back a tune whistled by someone or played on a soprano flute? Surely you are not singing the notes at the same octave as the whistling or the flute, you transpose the melody to a comfortable tone range. Or am I missing something?
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But it's probably the most important part for beginners.Pitch matching of the Beginner's Course is a tiny part of the software
What are the chances that something like that happens to a beginner?what do you do if you need to sing back a tune whistled by someone or played on a soprano flute?
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It is common practice to introduce the treble clef before moving on to other clefs in courses for beginners.Oh, I don't doubt that kids are able to produce much higher sounds than adult males with vocal range from E2 to A4.very young kids were doing that very exercise without problems
THANK YOU!!! +1asking a beginning singer to match pitch an octave or more below what's played
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I have answered you in the other thread here: https://www.earmaster.com/community/forum/3/5609.html
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